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Comments on Maine's vote against same sex marriage

Over at the next right A poster is equating same sex marriage to liberty.

My Response: True liberty does not violate other people's liberty

As a society we balance liberty and justice. Ultimate liberty would allow one the freedom to go into a store and take an item without paying for it. Justice dictates that taking something without paying for it is not fair. Ultimate liberty, unlimited liberty, is not freedom it is anarchy. -- It is mob rule (ironically the mob would not recognize same sex marriage)

The state, a society, a community, has a interest in protecting people's ownership in property. So laws exist that limit the liberty of somebody to take someone else property. The police do nothing but stop people from doing what they would will and call unrestrained liberty. The state, society and community have an interest in protecting children; A committed man and woman who the society recognizes as a unit or a family protects children. A marriage limits the liberty of those who are married -- it does not grant them additional liberties. It removes property rights from the individuals and grants them to the couple, it insures resources go to the children.

Maybe today there is an argument that could be made that the Government no longer has an interest in what a man and woman do. Marriage was more important when infant deaths were higher than they are today, and when the Government was not so involved in how children are raised, how they are educated. The Government could use DNA to establish financial responsibility.

That being said let me ask you this question; "What is the interest to society to maintain a same sex marriage?"

I understand you want liberty, but institution of marriage is not about liberty it is about something bigger than the couple itself. Its effects live past the deaths of the couple. What happens in marriages today effect what the society will be like in 2040. If every time two people had emotions for each other they and married the results would be a disaster in 2040. Marriage is not an public statement of strong feelings. It is a contract to be celebate outside of the marriage -- with enforcement by the state. I understand that strong feelings create the desire to bind a partner to such a contract, But what is the interest of the state to enforce it?

Freedom of speech is a true liberty

My speech does not take anything from you. Same Sex Marriage as it exists with the ACLU takes away that liberty.

Consumer choice is a true liberty

If I buy something from somebody else it does not take anything from you, my money was never yours.

Under the same choice who a business wants to hire to be their representative does not take anything from anybody. If there business model calls for a cross dresser they are free to hire one -- likewise if their business model is towards conservatives they are free to hire somebody who represents that model.

Same Sex Marriage + ACLU takes away liberties

ACLU insists by your -- what you call private ack in the bedroom -- Schools must teach to children that Same Sex marriage and male woman marriage are the same in every regard. Parents are not allowed to disagree or point out that society is not protected by Same Sex Marriage the way ... I could go on, I am sure you have seen the ads supporting traditional marriage.

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